There seems to be confusion about Cockshutt Paint Colors. I had mix numbers from NAPA (Martin Semour) that were good 3 years ago but yesterday I had them checked and they are no longer available due to new goverment regulations. So I did some checking and found PPG still has Cockshutt paint avaliable in Acrylic Enamel for $57 a gal. or Basecoat/Clearcoat for $93 a gal. at my local PPG dealer.
The numbers are listed below.
Cockshutt Tractor Red = 78210
Cockshutt Tractor Yellow = 88234
Cockshutt Tractor Harvest Gold = 83761
I'm adding a link to a webpage that list Sherwin-Williams, NAPA and Dupont along with PPG mixes for Coop and Cockshutt Tractors.
I have been asked if I have any paint chips of these formulas. I don't, but I will see if my Dealer can get any, if not this spring I'll make some up. I'll post when I have them if someone would like some.
I have just started to restore a Cockshutt 30 and was wondering if you have available any paint chips that I take into my local paint supplier. Also from looking around the net I see some folks have red tractors with yellow engine hoods while others are all red with yellow grills and wheels. Do you know what the original colour scheme was as I wish to remain as historically accurate as possible? Also do know where I can get the Cockshutt decals...
Take the PPG paint numbers to any PPG paint dealer and they can mix the paint for you. Red=78210 and Yellow=88234. Or if there isn't one close see if any paint dealer that is close can cross the numbers over to their product line.
Check out the pictures on my website there are several 30's and 40's with before and after pictures that will give you a good look at how they were from the Factory.
I took Joe's numbers into my local NAPA Dealer and he was able to cross reference them to DuPont colours. Although I must admit the yellow is appears to be a slightly different shade then I have seen used on other tractors in this area, so take this for what it is worth.
For DuPont Yellow Ful-Cryl II Acrylic Enamel SS AR: YS4!0ID For the Red same paint type: 44368ID
Can anyone tell me if the Cockshutt 20 uses the same colors as mentioned above? Also in some pics I noticed some with red hoods and some with the yellow. Would someone please help and send me pics or links to pics of a correct 20? Any help and advise with this is appreciated This is my first Cockshutt but I have lots of IH and Deere products. If you have pics please send to dishme5@gmail.com .
Hi Guys,I just bought a 1951 cockshutt 30.Can any one tell me if the wheeels and grille should be painted the Yellow 88234 or the Harvest gold 83761,or some other sort of cream color.I have seen them painted both ways so which is the factory colors?Sory for the ignorance but I am new at this and would like to be as accurate as possible. Thanks Bob Coffey Fredericton,N.B. Canada
If you look at Ken Woods Cockshutt 30 before and after pictures the paint looked more yellow before and cream after. I'm not an expert on the early models but I will contact Gary and see what he can tell me since they have owned the tractor since it was new. In one of the old Cockshutt Quarterly they had some pictures of New Cockshutt's as they were being delivered to the Dealer but they were black and white in the magazine. If I can get color copies I will post them on the web page for all to see. I'll post back here what Gary and Ken tell me about theirs.
Here is my E-mail to Ken Wood and his response, As you can see the original paint was more yellow. In my first post I list the code for the yellow paint. I would guess it comes down to personal preference.
From: Joseph Hunter [mailto:joseph@cockshutt-tractors.com] Sent: May 27, 2009 5:27 PM To: Ken Wood Subject: Cockshutt 30 paint
Hi Ken hope all is well with you and your family. I have a question, several people have contacted me about the color of yellow used on the Cockshutt 30 from the factory. I noticed in the before picture your tractor seemed to have a more yellow look before and more cream in color in the after. Didn't know if the color and changed with age and yellowed was the reason for the difference. Also I want to say your tractors have some of the best paint and straightest sheet metal I have even seen. Great write up in the Quarterly also.
Thanks for any input you can give me; Joe Hunter
Joe,
Yes we are all alive and well. I think tractor collecting keeps Dad and I healthy (and maybe a bit broke).
Here is what I know about Cockshutt yellow..
We are using a color called pastel sand. 1980 Ford color chart I believe. PPG code 3185.
It is a perfect match to the Cockshutt Harvest Gold the 500 series tractors used.
I know the 20/30/40/50 used a color with more yellow in it, but I didnt want to mess around with another color of paint.
Pastel Sand/Harvest Gold is pretty darn close, but does lack some yellow tinge. From what I have seen on original castings the early Cockshutt Yellow isnt really too yellow, but yellower than Harvest Gold.
Make sense??
Thanks for the compliments. We usually try and find fairly straight tractors to start with. Makes the process easier. Id rather rebuild an engine than try and repair massive sheet metal damage. We just plain lucked out with our Cockshutt 40. The tin was perfect on it. Have a Cockshutt 50 on the list next. Mechanically restored, just needs paint. Dad is currently building a CO-OP E4. Have a line on a couple tractors to buy tho. A 40 Deluxe (western) and a 50 Deluxe (western).
Best Regards,
Ken
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I'm working on a '51 E-4 and need to do some painting. I've seen Co-op orange described as early and late. Can you tell me the difference between the two and what defines 'early' or 'late'? I would guess it's the model year. I also a '46 and '50 E-3 that my father-in-law farmed with but they were both painted red before I came to know them around 1968. One has some orange showing and the other actually has some yellow on the rear axle housings, but that one has had the rear end swapped out.
cockshutt 20's from 52 to 56 were red with cockshutt yellow grills and wheels. in 56 they changed to the cockshutt 20 deluxe it had a few more options and they changed the paint to cockshutt yellow sheet metal and wheels with red grills and belly. hopefully that helps you any questions you can call me at 740-262-3987 Thanks, Caleb
your cockshutt 30 will use the cockshutt red and cockshutt yellow. the harvest gold wasn't introduced until the 500 series cockshutt. but like joe said personal opinions are everything. good luck with your project and enjoy it.
Here is my 2 cents worth: There is no right or wrong!!!! When Cockshutt tractors were made the were industrial machines not show cars for the "Roadster Show" There was probably variations from batch to batch. They were also used in conditions that were very hard on the paint and most are very faded from decades of exposure to the elements. When picking your paint color you should find the one that makes YOU happy! I have been to several ICC national shows and have looked down a row of 20 tractors and have seen a dozen different shades of paint.....and I think that's O.K. They are all beautiful!!!!! I am proud of my tractors and if you don't like them....Oh well. So if you want to "rattle can" your tractor purple or pink or whatever I say go for it! If you are restoring your tractor and want to get as close as possible to original, find a picture of one you like and take it to the paint store to match. Tony
I'm new to the forum, I can't tell from any of the comments what cockshutt actually named the sort of cream over red paint colours used on our early 1850 diesel. Can anyone help?
From everything I have read and seen the 1951 Cockshutt 40's were Red and Yellow. The Deluxe and Blackhawk did not start until Serial No. 31001 and up.